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Stone Logo Thru Neck

Post by Sigmania » Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:29 am

I’m not aware of Tokai making thru necks, so I guess not all stone logo guitars were made by Tokai?

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/124574341469? ... media=COPY

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Re: Stone Logo Thru Neck

Post by Voidoid56 » Tue Oct 18, 2022 2:36 am

As far as I know, the consensus in the Fernandes/Burny camp is that only two FST models were Tokai-made: FST-60 (ST) and FST-50 (SS) and probably only in 1978.

I've had an early '78 FST-60 that was certainly Tokai all the way. Other models (and there were like 5-6 Strats at the time, I think) appear to be Kawai-made, some obviously, others less so. What these through-necks are I've no idea. Then again, Fernandes/Burny always played the field in terms of OEM manufacturers, often using several at the same time for different ranges. Could be something like Chushin Gakki/Matsumoto Union, there are Fresher-branded through-neck Strats from about the same time. Just speculation, though.

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Re: Stone Logo Thru Neck

Post by luis » Tue Oct 18, 2022 2:52 am

I was able to check and play a FST-60 1978 and it had a Tokai heavy body 2 pieces. Great sounding guitar.
Tokai Goto pickups. But not so sure neck was a Tokai, maybe it was. Stone logo turners.
The guitar was brougth to Spain from Japan from a friend.

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Re: Stone Logo Thru Neck

Post by Voidoid56 » Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:16 am

Here's a Chushin-made Fresher through-neck, an FS-606, year unknown beyond "80's". Generally similar but no definite detail commonalities that I can see.

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Re: Stone Logo Thru Neck

Post by Sigmania » Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:45 am

Thanks for the clarification.

That’s a really cool guitar. Both of them are.

I’ve had quite a few Ibanez and Yamaha thru necks.

Have to admit that I love the concept and craftsmanship of them.

Very cool beasts. 8)

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Re: Stone Logo Thru Neck

Post by Sigmania » Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:58 am

Side by sides of the Fernandes & the Fresher.

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Re: Stone Logo Thru Neck

Post by Sigmania » Tue Oct 18, 2022 5:28 am

I forgot about this double thru neck beast with a stone logo that looks like an Alembic.

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http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=26202

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http://www.muzines.co.uk/articles/fairs-fare/5473
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Re: Stone Logo Thru Neck

Post by Sigmania » Tue Oct 18, 2022 12:44 pm

Btw, how would you tell when a guitar was made if there is no obvious serial number on these? There’s no neck plate and it’s not on the headstock.

I guess maybe pot codes or there could be a serial number in one of the compartments?
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Re: Stone Logo Thru Neck

Post by Voidoid56 » Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:39 am

Sigmania wrote:
Tue Oct 18, 2022 12:44 pm
Btw, how would you tell when a guitar was made if there is no obvious serial number on these? There’s no neck plate and it’s not on the headstock.

I guess maybe pot codes or there could be a serial number in one of the compartments?
You mean the Fernandes Alembics? They're in the 1980 and '81 catalogs only, so there your ballpark time; late '79 to mid-late '81 or so.

http://brochures.yokochou.com/guitar-an ... en_10.html

Otherwise, I don't know, I've never even been in the same room as one of those. But date-coded pots is a possibility, and they may even have a plaintext date in the neck pickup rout or somewhere else inside. Or, It might just not be possible to date them more precisely than the catalog years. Fernandes worked with so many manufacturers (god knows who made these...) that you kind of wonder if they even bothered trying to keep a consistent serial system going.
Their QA staff must have been ninjas, though. I've played and/or owned Burny LP copies made from 1983 to '94 by three different manufacturers, and they're so consistent in feel and quality it's kind of hard to believe. The tone varies some with different pup types over the years, though.

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Re: Stone Logo Thru Neck

Post by Sigmania » Wed Oct 19, 2022 5:27 am

Thanks. I meant the Strat type Thru neck in the original post.

The Alembic at that music fair was from 1985 if you can believe it. Article is linked above.
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