Please help ID this strange SS Tokai

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exaltationn
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Please help ID this strange SS Tokai

Post by exaltationn » Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:53 am

Hello everyone! Recently bought a guitar at the local shop as Tokai SS-38. But I noticed some oddities with it.
So here they are:
- No original logo w/ serial number on the headstock, only decal. The serial number(5027646) is stamped on the backplate.
- No model marking on the neck pocket
- The neck marking has a single dash like "-" insted of double like "="
- And the most ineteresting is that the body marking is 'OWX' where "OW" must be Olympic White, but the body is difenetely black.

Normal things with that guitar: All the electronics (wiring, pickups) are absolutely similar to the photos from internet and this forum. The tuners look kinda similar.

I ask for the help of local experts to identify this guitar. Many thanks.

P.S. sorry for my English, im not a native speaker.

Photos:
https://ibb.co/5FR4P5T - main view
https://ibb.co/FVr2VqL - back view
https://ibb.co/fv8qp0c - headstock decal
https://ibb.co/GnJMk8Q - backplate ande serial number on it
https://ibb.co/8bPvM82 - under the backplate
https://ibb.co/b5pb7vC - neck pocket
https://ibb.co/SrHcd06 - neck marking
https://ibb.co/4PY5bkM - pickguard removed
https://ibb.co/2ZBDQ3C - body marking
https://ibb.co/BTC3r5M - electronics

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Re: Please help ID this strange SS Tokai

Post by bluejeannot » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:59 am

Wow that's another curve ball! Looks authentic though. Maybe they had a few sakes too many in their lunch hour at the factory. I have a suspicion that this might be a transition SS model between the old Spaghetti logo and the newer script logo. That is the only thing that makes any sense. What is interesting is that the font of the seven digit stamp on the back plate is identical to the font stamped on neck plates of Springys .This guitar maybe a somewhat hasty reaction to Fender pressure. Congratulations you have a very interesting SS!
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Re: Please help ID this strange SS Tokai

Post by bluejeannot » Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:22 am

bluejeannot 78 Springy 60,Talbo Woody,83 Goldstar ST50,84 Goldstar St60,84 Goldstar ST80.82 Tokai PB 50. 82 VSB 80.

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Re: Please help ID this strange SS Tokai

Post by mdvineng » Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:08 pm

An 85 SS, late 85 into 86.
Pickups are typical of a 38 model, as are the tuners.
The neck marking using a - is correct for 85 on, pre 85 is =.
The paint spray pattern missing part of the routing is also typical Tokai, so the OW is an error.
7 digit ser on the neck plate is also correct.
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Re: Please help ID this strange SS Tokai

Post by bluejeannot » Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:03 am

@mdvineng, the 7 digit serial number is stamped on the plastic back plate not the neck plate. Don't you think that this very strange ? I've never seen this before on any Tokai, although the font looks totally legit.
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Re: Please help ID this strange SS Tokai

Post by Sigmania » Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:20 am

Bizarre

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That’s alright ‘cause I still got my guitar… ‘79 LS80 GT Reborn, '79 ST100 Springy, '81 LS100S Hog, '81 ST70R Slab Springy, ‘81 ST80R Springy, '81 TE120 Breezy, '82 LS120 Love Rock, '82 JB50 Jazz Sounds

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Re: Please help ID this strange SS Tokai

Post by ATO » Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:31 am

Which country is this guitar in?
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Re: Please help ID this strange SS Tokai

Post by mdvineng » Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:50 am

bluejeannot wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:03 am
@mdvineng, the 7 digit serial number is stamped on the plastic back plate not the neck plate. Don't you think that this very strange ? I've never seen this before on any Tokai, although the font looks totally legit.
On my moby it looked like the neck plate :o on my tablet, I can see it much better :D

The X after the OW indicates the lower end model number 38< 55
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Re: Please help ID this strange SS Tokai

Post by Sigmania » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:17 am

For the record...

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Re: Please help ID this strange SS Tokai

Post by exaltationn » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:01 am

ATO wrote:
Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:31 am
Which country is this guitar in?
Russia :D

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Re: Please help ID this strange SS Tokai

Post by exaltationn » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:03 am

Thanks everyone for your replies!

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Re: Please help ID this strange SS Tokai

Post by exaltationn » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:10 am

I've alse found these pics on japanese auction website. It looks like mine, but it's not, the decal position is slightly different.
https://ibb.co/hRb180c
https://ibb.co/TtnnVxg

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Re: Please help ID this strange SS Tokai

Post by Sigmania » Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:29 am

I just spotted a 1954 Strat with the serial number on the trem cover...

http://www.guitarhq.com/54strat.html

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That’s alright ‘cause I still got my guitar… ‘79 LS80 GT Reborn, '79 ST100 Springy, '81 LS100S Hog, '81 ST70R Slab Springy, ‘81 ST80R Springy, '81 TE120 Breezy, '82 LS120 Love Rock, '82 JB50 Jazz Sounds

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