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Post by the passenger » Sat May 29, 2010 4:55 am

Have you got any idea about that strange neck joint construction I've found on a MIJ Love rock?

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Post by marcusnieman » Sat May 29, 2010 8:38 am

Looks like it's been worked on due to the missing finish below the fretboard to the edge of the pickup cavity. Possibly a re set of the neck and then doweled.

Are there any cracks in the finish on the backside of the heel?

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Post by Mick51 » Sat May 29, 2010 8:58 am

What year? That neck joint is all wrong for a Tokai.

The tang on the neck fits dead-center, rather than offset.
It is dowelled, and doesn't appear to have been reset/reseated.
No route into the upper p/up cavity for the tenon.
No square routs for humbucker p/up legs.

There's probably more. Strange bird, if it's legitimate.

Absolutely no reflection on quality, workmanship, playability. Just doesn't look like a Tokai.
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Post by jacco » Sat May 29, 2010 9:49 am

Looks like an inkie to me!
In 1980-1981 there were Tokai LS50s & 60s with dowel tenon and ink stamped serial on the back of the headstock.
The word is these were made in another Tokai plant, in Matsumoto, 150 km north of Tokai Gakki headquarters in Hamamatsu. The same city were the the Fujigen plant lies, thus Greco's were built.

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Post by the passenger » Sat May 29, 2010 4:58 pm

jacco wrote:Looks like an inkie to me!
In 1980-1981 there were Tokai LS50s & 60s with dowel tenon and ink stamped serial on the back of the headstock.
The word is these were made in another Tokai plant, in Matsumoto, 150 km north of Tokai Gakki headquarters in Hamamatsu. The same city were the the Fujigen plant lies, thus Greco's were built.
Me too! Look at this, I've just found it: http://www.k4.dion.ne.jp/~yjibika/en_1980TokaiLS60.html
Its got the same neck construction and stamped serial. A little strange, but it seems to me a legitimate love rock in every other way.

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Post by Cali Girl » Sat May 29, 2010 5:27 pm

jacco wrote:Looks like an inkie to me!
In 1980-1981 there were Tokai LS50s & 60s with dowel tenon and ink stamped serial on the back of the headstock.
The word is these were made in another Tokai plant, in Matsumoto, 150 km north of Tokai Gakki headquarters in Hamamatsu. The same city were the the Fujigen plant lies, thus Greco's were built.
I think this is correct. There looks to be an extra piece of wood at the neck heel.

The question is, are they as much a Tokai guitar as the ones from the main factory?

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Post by BlueThird » Sat May 29, 2010 5:33 pm

I'm surprised Jacco didn't refer you to this.

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Post by jacco » Sat May 29, 2010 10:02 pm

Yeah, I guess that's out of a little frustration. I posted a few topics on this subject but didn't get much response. So these posts aren't that interesting anyway. I contacted a few japanese collectors and got some good info!
Hey, but you have read it :D

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Post by mojoburst » Sun May 30, 2010 2:45 am

Dowel-tenon of a 1975 GRECO pre-Super Real EG-700 T:

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Post by JVsearch » Sun May 30, 2010 10:57 am

jacco wrote:Looks like an inkie to me!
In 1980-1981 there were Tokai LS50s & 60s with dowel tenon and ink stamped serial on the back of the headstock.
The word is these were made in another Tokai plant, in Matsumoto, 150 km north of Tokai Gakki headquarters in Hamamatsu. The same city were the the Fujigen plant lies, thus Greco's were built.
Oh, another Tokai plant? If so, it must have been a plant set up to make Grecos?

No matter which way you look at it a Tokai LS should not have a two piece neck IMO. But hey, that's just one of my personal dislikes because it is a cost cutting measure. I doubt it affects the guitar in any way! :lol:
Totally biased towards Japanese made guitars.

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