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Post by ChicoBluez » Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:51 pm

See my final post on this subject.

Hisashi is the vendor I purchased the SG from. He sells Tokai guitars on ebay. In the auction there was no mention of any fees to receive an instrument from Japan. Only $120.00 US for shipping. As posted, I had to pay $84.40 US for custom/import tax. I contacted Hisashi and after many email exchanges of denial, I decided to eat the customs and not let the situation ruin my new purchase. I did leave Hisashi positive feed back, but also left the comment of "customs/import tax not clearly stated in auction...seller not willing to negotiate settlement".

Still, my new SG is dream come true.

Chico 8)
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Post by Mickdal » Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:00 pm

WTF????

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Post by villager » Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:01 pm

i think its really the buyers responsibility to understand the customs proceedures and charges of his or her own country....

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Post by JohnA » Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:17 pm

The duty/tax paid when importing goods is totally outside the sellers control, it is the law of the country you live in. Here in Europe it amounts to more than 20% of the value of the item + the cost of the shipping.

I think Hisashi is totally blameless here.

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Post by ChicoBluez » Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:20 pm

I agree. The auction makes no mention of customs/import tax. Only in the return policy is the customs/import tax mentioned for returning items. After my purchase, I received an email of shipment with the surprise mention of customs/import tax from Hisashi.

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Post by ChicoBluez » Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:29 pm

There is another Japanese Tokai ebay vendor that clearly states custom/import tax in auctions. I suggested to Hisashi that he should do the same so future buyers are not surprised.

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Post by JohnA » Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:59 pm

There are 1000000 ebay sellers in Europe & the USA that don't say anything about import duty for Japanese buyers. Why should the law in the USA be a supprise to you?

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Post by marcusnieman » Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:39 pm

ChicoBluez wrote:I agree. The auction makes no mention of customs/import tax. Only in the return policy is the customs/import tax mentioned for returning items. After my purchase, I received an email of shipment with the surprise mention of customs/import tax from Hisashi.

Chico 8)
In 9 out of 10 shipments to the US, no import duty is ever charged and I've purchased lots of guitars from Japan including Hisashi (no duties charged on his). Once in awhile it happens - I got stung once as well but it was worth it.

If this is the first guitar you've purchased directly from Japan, too bad that happened. But if it's the first time you got tagged, consider yourself lucky compared to everyone else that pays heavy duties and VAT.

If he had worded the possibility of import taxes or duties, would you not have purchased it? Chalk it up to experience and let this be a head's up to all US buyers - you CAN get hit with duties upon delivery.

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Post by detroitace » Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:16 pm

I've now bought 10 guitars from Japan and never had an import/duty tax. Statistically, I'm probably due for a charge, but haven't seen one as of yet.

With respect to Hisashi responsibility, I think the buyer should be aware of this potentiality. The seller doesn't gain from this, only the US customs department or a greedy postman. So, why should Hisashi care if you do or don't have an import tax?

Better luck next time. $84 is outrageous. I'd heard of $40 or so, but $84 is out of the question.

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Post by sneakyjapan » Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:35 pm

I`ve sent a few guitars to the states from japan and nobody paid anything extra. there are lots of Americans on line who buy outside the country and it seems it`s very rrae for folks to pay additional charges...seems to be luck of the draw.

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Post by leadguitar_323 » Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:46 pm

Hi all, Chico bluez, it is totally your responsibility to look into import taxes most countries have them as we are all aware of here. I'm glad you left positive feed back as this has absolutely nothing to do with the seller. :o
It surprises me that anyone could be that naive .
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Maybe you should change the title of this thread as well..!!
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Post by ChicoBluez » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:41 pm

Hisashi's auction should have verbage as to possible customs/tax import costs. Face it, anyone one of you who deals for the first time with an out of country purchase, and as another poster calls it "gets stung" would be slighty un-nerved. I now understand what's at stake and wanted to share my partially bad experience so that others can be aware.

Hisashi's shame is in the auction language.

I am very happy with all the other aspects of the deal and have a wonderful guitar to show for it.

Chico 8)
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Post by ochay » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:19 pm

Chicobluz,
I have had over 300 guitars shipped from Japan-Never paid a dime import Duties>>What are youz talking about?
Maybe you live in a Sanctuary City? Waukegan , IL???
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Post by Rustyslide » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:22 pm

I fail to see how it's Hisashi's responsibility to inform you of the laws of your own country.

PS I believe under most state laws in the US you are expected to pay sales tax if they neglect to ding you when it passes through customs, on the "honor system" :roll:

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Post by leadguitar_323 » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:38 pm

Chico it sounds like you just don't get it, IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE IMPORTER TO PAY ANY TAXES AT YOUR END.It has nothing at all to do with the seller. :o :o :o You should ask any questions you have, or look into it before you buy. Hisashi has to worry about all the charges at his end, why should he worry about yours. !!

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