A TOKAI By Any Other Name?

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A TOKAI By Any Other Name?

Post by Sigmania » Tue May 18, 2021 9:54 am

Who all did Tokai build guitars for?

Just hoping some members can shed some light on which guitars floating around out there are actually Tokais with another name on the head stock?

Does anyone know dates and who all they built guitars for?
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Re: A TOKAI By Any Other Name?

Post by Sigmania » Tue May 18, 2021 9:57 am

This article (hey they stole my idea for a title) says Tokai contracted with Fender to build their guitars from 1997-2015. Before that FujiGen 1982-1997.

https://reverb.com/news/a-strat-by-any- ... ingy-sound
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Re: A TOKAI By Any Other Name?

Post by mdvineng » Tue May 18, 2021 1:14 pm

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Re: A TOKAI By Any Other Name?

Post by Sigmania » Tue May 18, 2021 1:18 pm

Interesting. I had thought the “Crafted in Japan” versions were made by Tokai.

That article you linked says:

“ Fender produced by Tokai from 1998 to 2008 say “Crafted in Japan” under the serial number.”

JV line by Fujigen.
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Re: A TOKAI By Any Other Name?

Post by mdvineng » Tue May 18, 2021 2:09 pm

Crafted equals made by Tokai.

Dyna Gakki are currently making Japanese Fenders as are Fujigen. JV is Fuji and JD is Dyna. Just had a 2016 Dyna made Fender Strat in my hands last week, as a friend had just bought it. Very very nicely made, it was just lovely to hold. It was a used version but from close inspection the previous owner had played a few chords and then put it back in its case.
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Re: A TOKAI By Any Other Name?

Post by guitar hiro » Wed May 19, 2021 5:11 am

I believe there were a few Greco EGs & EGCs from the late '80s era that were produced by Tokai Gakki

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Re: A TOKAI By Any Other Name?

Post by Sigmania » Wed May 19, 2021 5:45 am

Interesting. That’s two brands, Fender and Greco, that Fujigen was involved with as well.
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Re: A TOKAI By Any Other Name?

Post by Sigmania » Wed May 19, 2021 5:48 am

guitar hiro wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 5:11 am
I believe there were a few Greco EGs & EGCs from the late '80s era that were produced by Tokai Gakki
Maybe some Greco SA/ES models as well?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.guita ... made-greco

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Re: A TOKAI By Any Other Name?

Post by Sigmania » Wed May 19, 2021 5:53 am

So far it looks like Tokai made guitars at some point for:

Fender
Greco
Fernandes/Burny
CF Martin
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Re: A TOKAI By Any Other Name?

Post by Sigmania » Wed May 19, 2021 6:49 am

mdvineng wrote:
Tue May 18, 2021 2:09 pm
Crafted equals made by Tokai.

Dyna Gakki are currently making Japanese Fenders as are Fujigen. JV is Fuji and JD is Dyna. Just had a 2016 Dyna made Fender Strat in my hands last week, as a friend had just bought it. Very very nicely made, it was just lovely to hold. It was a used version but from close inspection the previous owner had played a few chords and then put it back in its case.
I just saw this on a Wikipedia page. Not sure if it is accurate, but tossing it out there since it kind of muddies the water re: CIJ=Tokai.


"According to a Fender representative, it was stipulated in the Fender Japan contract that if there was a change of manufacturer from FujiGen Gakki to another guitar factory, the production inscription in the guitar would be changed from "Made in Japan" (MIJ) to "Crafted in Japan" (CIJ). Most of the Japanese-made Fenders up until 1996/1997 were MIJ Fenders.

The first CIJ Fenders started around 1992, when Dyna Gakki took over some of the production requirements of Fender Japan. This resulted in the "Crafted in Japan" inscription appearing on some Japanese Fenders during this period. Dyna took over because FujiGen was expanding its own factory operations.

CIJ was used entirely on Japanese Fenders produced from 1996/1997 until 2015, after Tōkai and Dyna took over the Fender Japan manufacturing contract. The Fender Squier range was also brought in line with the Japanese Fenders at around the same time (1996/1997), with the CIJ inscription being used."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fender_Japan

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Re: A TOKAI By Any Other Name?

Post by Sigmania » Wed May 19, 2021 6:55 am

And I found this re Tokai making Fernandes guitars.

The following are short explanation of Fernandes Strat Replica history

1973-74 Traditional Type "Fernandes" Logo --- Kawai --- conducted by Mr. Omote and Mr. Shiino
1975-77 Spaghetti Type "Fernandes" Logo --- Kawai/Tokai --- conducted by Mr. Omote
1978-79 Stone Type "Fernandes" Logo --- Tokai
1980-81 Stone Type "Fernandes" Logo --- Changed to 22F --- Tokai
1981-90 Revival Series Logo --- Probably Tokai
2003 Revival Second Generation --- No idea about the MFG



http://www.music-trade.co.jp/fenandeshistory.html

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Re: A TOKAI By Any Other Name?

Post by mdvineng » Wed May 19, 2021 7:18 am

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Re: A TOKAI By Any Other Name?

Post by Sigmania » Wed May 19, 2021 7:21 am

mdvineng wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 7:18 am
You can chase the Greco route next https://www.guitarsofjapan.com/post/ide ... made-greco 8) 8)
Yep. I linked that above.

I was thinking of trying to fit together a loose timeline to adjust as we get better/more reliable info. Maybe this has already been done on here by other members?

It would be cool to see the extent of their (Tokai's) operations over time.
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Re: A TOKAI By Any Other Name?

Post by Sigmania » Wed May 19, 2021 7:31 am

Tokai guitar timeline:

1947 Company started by making harmonicas and pianos
1965 Making classical guitars
1968 First electric guitars (Hummingbirds, Mosrite clone)
1970-1973 Made Conn acoustics
1972 Began making Sigmas for CF Martin
1975 Began making Cat's Eyes acoustics
1975-77? Began making Fernandes Fender clones
1978 Tokai "Les Paul Reborn"
1977? Tokai branded Fender clones (Springy Sound, Breezy Sound)
1989-91? Tokai making some guitars for Greco?
1997-2015 Tokai making guitars for Fender

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C5%8Dkai_Gakki

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Re: A TOKAI By Any Other Name?

Post by mdvineng » Wed May 19, 2021 7:33 am

Sigmania wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 7:21 am
mdvineng wrote:
Wed May 19, 2021 7:18 am
You can chase the Greco route next https://www.guitarsofjapan.com/post/ide ... made-greco 8) 8)
Yep. I linked that above.

I was thinking of trying to fit together a loose timeline to adjust as we get better/more reliable info. Maybe this has already been done on here by other members?

It would be cool to see the extent of their (Tokai's) operations over time.

I'm thinking that a few companies swapped around contracts depending on demand and circumstances
Tokai VSB80 OF, Michael Kelly Patriot custom, Epiphone Elite SG & EB3. 8)

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