Any way to verify this is indeed a LS150 from '02?

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Any way to verify this is indeed a LS150 from '02?

Post by brobar » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:13 pm

Looking at a Tokai advertised as a LS-150 from 02. Since to my knowledge Tokai doesn't put model identifiers on their guitars... is there any way to verify this is indeed a LS-150 from 02? For those of you more in tune with Tokais... what would you be looking for to validate the authenticity of that claim?

It has been modified (different pots, caps, wiring, and pickups).

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Post by luis » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:22 pm

LS150s are 2005 made if I stand correct, they were a 100 run, a Furuhashi-san creation. He told he found some higly figured maple and wanted to use it. 150s bacame a fixed model in Tokai catalog after

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Post by brokentoes » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:49 pm

Probably not what you want to hear but my money's on that being a 2002 LS-70F

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Post by brobar » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:04 pm

brokentoes wrote:Probably not what you want to hear but my money's on that being a 2002 LS-70F
Nah... if that is the case then I DEFINITELY want to hear it because that does make a difference. =)

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Post by brobar » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:08 pm

Are they usually labeled somewhere (control cavity... one of the pickup cavities) to make it easier to identify?

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Post by brokentoes » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:31 pm

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. But there was no LS150 in 2002 anyway as far as i know. If it has a 2 piece back then it's a LS70F.

When Tokai came out with a LS150 it was a plaintop. As mentioned above the special order LS150F's came out in 2005. Yours has flame so ........

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Post by marcusnieman » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:47 pm

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Post by marcusnieman » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:48 pm

brokentoes wrote:Sometimes yes, sometimes no. But there was no LS150 in 2002 anyway as far as i know. If it has a 2 piece back then it's a LS70F.

When Tokai came out with a LS150 it was a plaintop. As mentioned above the special order LS150F's came out in 2005. Yours has flame so ........
Yeah, 2002 is a tad early. I have one I bought brand new and its a 2009. Serial number is stamped - not an inky and it has the small black made in Japan ink stamp at the base of headstock:

http://www.tokaiforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=14375&start=0

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Post by brobar » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:19 pm

A little more info from the guy:
It has the number 8 written in the bridge cavity and I think L1 or something like that in bridge. I bought it from a guy in the Netherlands who sold it as an LS150. Honestly, I really don’t know what denotes it as a LS150 other than I’ve heard they are finished in nitrocellulose lacquer and many newer models are not. This guitar is without a doubt finished in nitrocellulose. It’s a soft finish unlike poly which is hard glassy plastic like finish
Thanks,

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Post by brobar » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:40 pm

A little more info:
Then you are probably correct. That’s good information. It definitely does have a 2 piece back. It is finished in nitrocellulose without a doubt.
Thanks,
Based on that info... pretty sure it is a LS70F?

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Post by brokentoes » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:39 pm

It's not nitro, even if his keen fingers detect it. Unless it was refinished and thats doubtful given the serial number is still there.

2 piece back = LS70F.

The "F" means a flamed maple or sycamore veneer on top of a maple cap in this case.

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Post by -Alan- » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:14 am

Slightly off-topic - but are the Tokai flamed tops always a veneer ?

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Post by marcusnieman » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:40 am

brokentoes wrote:It's not nitro, even if his keen fingers detect it. Unless it was refinished and thats doubtful given the serial number is still there.

2 piece back = LS70F.

The "F" means a flamed maple or sycamore veneer on top of a maple cap in this case.
You can't confirm nitro by feel alone. That's pretty funny. Acetone is the litmus test.

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Post by marcusnieman » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:41 am

-Alan- wrote:Slightly off-topic - but are the Tokai flamed tops always a veneer ?
Not the high end models

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Post by Paladin2019 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:08 am

The only high end models back then were the LS200 and LS320. Below that was the quilt top model (LS85Q?).

Best way to check - take the pickups out and see if the middle joint and grain lines in the cavity line up with the middle joint and grain lines on the top. If not => veneer => LS70F.

I'm betting LS70F. It's definitely Japanese.

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