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Tokai made Greco SA ES 335 Model

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:59 am
by CliffsComicWorld
Aloha Crew,

Been wondering what model this guitar is and think I know now. i understand that Tokai made some Grecos in the 1980’s but I did not know they made some SA Models. Here is the run down.
No label or serial number
Stripped Ebony fretboard
Fret end bindings
Square routes for the pickups
Off center center block
Flamed maple top
Birdseye back
Gold bottom unmarked pickups

Anyone else?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/147832065 ... 7453940008
ImageUntitled by Cliff Jordan, on Flickr
ImageUntitled by Cliff Jordan, on Flickr
ImageUntitled by Cliff Jordan, on Flickr

Re: Tokai made Greco SA ES 335 Model

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:01 pm
by Paladin2019
CliffsComicWorld wrote:Aloha Crew,

Been wondering what model this guitar is and think I know now. i understand that Tokai made some Grecos in the 1980’s
Where did you hear this?

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:56 pm
by CliffsComicWorld
It’s known that Tokai made Les Paul type guitars for Greco in the 1980’s. The hints are offset neck tenons and square routing for the pickup up feet in the body’s. These are Tokai construction traits.


Here is the pickup cavity routes on the Greco SA Model

ImageUntitled by Cliff Jordan, on Flickr

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:31 pm
by villager
well documented i have a few of them.. even have the tokai stamping in the cavitys sometimes..

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:18 am
by CliffsComicWorld
The pickups are a mystery.... will have to break out my meter and measure them... they actually sound pretty good. I think I’ll pull a pot and see if there is a date on them.

ImageUntitled by Cliff Jordan, on Flickr

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:53 am
by villager
dont think the pu are original cliff, all the tokai made used the braided wire greco pus of the day...

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:18 am
by _JDZ
First post for me here...

I have one just like Cliff's.

Pickups are the same:
Image3 by JDZ, on Flickr

Cavity routing is the same as on my 81 Tokai ES-150. Fujigen made Greco's don't have the relief in bridge PU cavity either, just a hole for the wire:
ImageBridgeCavity_s by JDZ, on Flickr

ImageBridgeCavity by JDZ, on Flickr

ImageDSC01534 by JDZ, on Flickr

ImageDSC01532 by JDZ, on Flickr

ImageDSC01517 by JDZ, on Flickr

ImageDSC01511 by JDZ, on Flickr

ImageDSC01498 by JDZ, on Flickr

John

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:47 am
by _JDZ
Here's one of the POTs from mine

Given the open O on Greco (Mint Collection) and that Tokai was making Greco's in late 80's/early 90's, the pot would be FEB 1991?

Image20180323_221306 by JDZ, on Flickr

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:15 pm
by villager
interesting.. wonder why they used those pu and not the greco ones...

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:56 pm
by _JDZ
Do you know what kind of pickups they are?

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:29 am
by wulfman
I don't think you can be sure the pots are also original if it had a pickup change. Beautiful guitar regardless of the year.

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:20 am
by _JDZ
Thanks!

Both Cliff's and mine have the same pickups.
Assumed they were original to the guitars since they look to be the same?

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:38 am
by villager
_JDZ wrote:Do you know what kind of pickups they are?
no I have never seen those type before..

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:14 pm
by duff
build by tokai, painted by greco?

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:24 pm
by CliffsComicWorld
I’ll pull a pot and take a picture of the pot codes....both of our guitars have this in common.
Tokai built
Stripped Ebony fretboard
Gold bottom pickups
Neck pickup has black wire lead
Bridge pickup has Gray wire lead

To be continued.....