LS320 Tuner Replacements - Advice Needed

Tokai guitar discussion

Moderators: ian, ned

Post Reply
Rebar
Guitar God
Posts: 80
Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:18 am
Location: Belfast

LS320 Tuner Replacements - Advice Needed

Post by Rebar » Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:08 pm

Hi,

I currently have an LS 320 (1999), which is a fantastic guitar. The only problem I’m having with it, and which seems to be a flaw with many LP type guitars, is that it has less tuning stability compared with, say a strat or a tele. I have particular difficulty with the G-string staying in tune and I have therefore decided to replace the tuners.

I have tried the usual methods of trying to improve things such as a sprinkle of graphite over the nut and tuning down rather than up, with no lasting improvement. I’m just getting a bit fed up, as I’m tending to play my tele more and more because its less likely to give me any problems. At this point, I just want to say that the LS 320 isn’t for sale – it took too long to find to do that :lol:

I would, however, like to ask if anyone has any advice on the best replacement tuners which will not necessitate excessive drilling, etc. I want to preserve the originality of the guitar as much as I can so that, if the day comes that I do wish to sell, I can put the original tuners back on. From what I can find out, Tokai used Gotoh tuners and I have found a locking version which I think may work. These are SD90 MG-T tuners: http://www.g-gotoh.com/international/?b ... =sd90-mg-t

There are some options with regard to post heights with these too.

Can anyone advise me on whether these will fit the existing holes on my guitar and what the ideal post heights should be please? Failing that, I’m open to alternatives.

Any advice would be very welcome.

Tony

luis
Guitar God
Posts: 2422
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2001 6:00 pm
Location: Spain

Post by luis » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:21 pm

Hello Tony.

My 1996 use some slight different tuners than my 2003. The post is more like 1978-85 ones on the base. However recent Gotohs would fit OK.
Please upload pics of your tuner to see which one is in order to help you more accuratly.

Regards,
Luis.

PS: I understand you wouldn´t sell your 320, these series are fantastic, on a par with any of the G brand if not better. And if yoy do some aditional tricks then it would improve to a highest grade.

dombat
Guitar God
Posts: 314
Joined: Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:05 am
Location: France

Post by dombat » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:51 pm

Strats are the most sensitive to tuning problems!!!!

I have, let's say 30 guitars (T, F and G) they all have tuning problems with the G string

Rebar
Guitar God
Posts: 80
Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:18 am
Location: Belfast

Post by Rebar » Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:04 pm

Hi Luis,

Thanks for your reply. I'd be very keen to know what other improvements you think I should make in addition to the tuners.

I had initially thought about trying to buy just one replacement tuner for the G string, so I posted a wanted ad in the classifieds section. I included a photo in the ad. No replies though.... :roll:

I will upload a photo in here asap.

Dombat - I suppose they all give trouble, but the LP just seems to be the worst when I'm plucking my G-string! :oops:


Cheers

Tony

Rebar
Guitar God
Posts: 80
Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:18 am
Location: Belfast

Post by Rebar » Sat Feb 27, 2016 11:14 am

Thanks to everyone who sent a PM. I have now tried a dab of nut sauce and it has worked a treat! Weird thing is, after saying I'd never sell her, now I'm not too sure :-?

luis
Guitar God
Posts: 2422
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2001 6:00 pm
Location: Spain

Post by luis » Sat Feb 27, 2016 4:06 pm

Glad you got a solution for the trouble Rebar. Please told us about the trick used.

I did some tricks on my 1996 LS320 (one off):

1.- Pigtail steel bushings
2.- Pigtail steel studs
3.- ABR-1 brass posts (metric M4) deeper into the body to achieve some extra bass.

So, in summary Tokai Lover Rocks have the parts reversed than original 59 Les Pauls ( brass tailpiece studs bot steel ABR-1 posts) so I just put my 320 to 50s specs so the guitar have all 50s appointments. No more no less.
I will post some pics tomorrow.

Diamond
Guitar God
Posts: 1676
Joined: Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:48 am
Location: ZA

Post by Diamond » Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:31 pm

Get a very good tech to file/tweak the nut and always use nut sauce in the slots.

Even the MIK tuners on the Traditional Series MIC models don't have tuning problems once the nut is correctly filed/tweaked.

I sold the Gotoh SD90 tuners on my LS160 because I didn't have spare tuners in stock and a customer needed a set, I replaced the SD90 Gotohs with a set of the MIK tuners from a LS48F, no tuning problems.
Keep the legend alive, buy new Tokais!

guitar hiro
Guitar God
Posts: 583
Joined: Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:28 pm

Post by guitar hiro » Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:07 pm

glad to hear you have this figured out Rebar
I have a LS-320 and it likely has the best tuning stability of any guitar I have owned

Post Reply