70s LP Reborns and recent Love Rocks

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70s LP Reborns and recent Love Rocks

Post by loverockerUK » Tue Dec 24, 2002 3:38 am

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Post by luis » Tue Dec 24, 2002 10:07 am

I am thonking abot it from some time ago about it,but they are very expensive at this time.I did a test with a modern LS-70 against a Greco LPC EG-800 from 1978 and rhe Tokai is better for my taste.

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Post by ranjam » Thu Dec 26, 2002 9:36 am

From my limited experience, the Reborns I went through, and the one I kept, played just as well as any Love Rock I went through/kept. The Reborn weighed a lot more, however. The Reborn top was plain, but a really pretty cherry-burst. The other weird part was all the Love Rocks I went through had microphonic pickups. The Reborn did not :-?! I have no idea why. They all sounded great, but I eneded up keeping a few Love Rocks with nice tops and a gold-top along with one Reborn that just had pickups from Hell (I mean that in a good way). If you are not adverse to swapping pickups (or at least potting) and/or controls, I'd go for the sexiest top. It worked for me anyway. That one Reborn I kept just had pickups, and the Les Paul 'decal' blows people away.

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Re: 70s LP Reborns and recent Love Rocks

Post by Frank555 » Thu Dec 26, 2002 12:53 pm

LondonBarry wrote:In that collections thread, seems a number of you guys have (or had) 70s LPRs and 90s/recent LRs. As soon as I sell a couple of other guitars, I'll be buying one or other Standard 'burst replica.

Question is, do I import a new LS-65 (still Japanese made as far as I can tell, but the one with a plain top) or bid on an old LP Reborn (most turning up on Ebay seem to be LS-50s). In either case, I won't be able to try before buying.

So what do you guys reckon regarding playability/tone/build quality/etc?

Barry
Here's one point to consider; I have a 2002 Japanese LS-65 and it has a 3 piece mahogany body. I believe the Reborns had 2 or one piece bodies. Other than that I don't think there's any other difference. Some people argue that the mahogany used 20 years ago will be better than the wood used on today's guitars, due to the increase in pollution, but who knows?

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Re: 70s LP Reborns and recent Love Rocks

Post by sihvoh » Fri Dec 27, 2002 5:35 am

>Some people argue that the mahogany used 20 years ago will be better >than the wood used on today's guitars, due to the increase in pollution, >but who knows?

The wood quality was better couple of decades ago. That time it took longer for trees to grow big and that makes them more close-grained. Today pollution makes them grow faster and that makes big difference.

Look at anything made of 50 years ago and compare it to something made of todays wood and you really can see a difference so probably you can also hear it.
Let's do it as simple way as possible but not more than that.

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Post by loverockerUK » Fri Dec 27, 2002 6:55 am

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Re: 70s LP Reborns and recent Love Rocks

Post by Paladin2019 » Fri Dec 27, 2002 10:57 am

sihvoh wrote:>Some people argue that the mahogany used 20 years ago will be better >than the wood used on today's guitars, due to the increase in pollution, >but who knows?

The wood quality was better couple of decades ago. That time it took longer for trees to grow big and that makes them more close-grained. Today pollution makes them grow faster and that makes big difference.

Look at anything made of 50 years ago and compare it to something made of todays wood and you really can see a difference so probably you can also hear it.
I can understand how 'aged' wood could sound better, but that pollution crap just sounds like vintage snobbery, and an old man's "things were better in the old days" attitude. A good guitar is a good guitar, no matter how old the wood is, where it came from, how polluted it is, whatever. A crap guitar will always be crap for the same reasons even if it was made in the 50's. I'll never buy a guitar based on 'old is better'.

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Post by Peter Mac » Fri Dec 27, 2002 7:39 pm

Hi Barry,

The "older is better" line is crap - I have worked on some vintage guitars that are absolute rubbish - not every guitar was made on a Wednesday you know.

My only recommendation is the '81 - 85 Love Rocks were far more consistant in the build quality than previous models. For the LS-50 and LS60 (plain Top) the body is made from Sepele mahogany whereas the Reborns used a different mahogany. A reborn LS-80 would be the best value Plain Top but any of the '80s Love Rocks are consistantly good.

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Post by loverockerUK » Sat Dec 28, 2002 6:34 am

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Post by Novosel » Sat Dec 28, 2002 11:03 pm

I can state unequivocably (!) that the poly finish will not fade. I have tried and tried for the last 14 years with my mid-80's LR (fortunately it's done in Tokai's Vintage Cherry, so it ain't too bad to look at). If anything, the lacquer will slighty darken or yellow over time - ever see a vintage spruce top Martin? Actually, it's a myth that all old guitars fade. It was only the red analine dye used on 58-60 Les Pauls that was subject to fading - the yellow always remained. Other Gibsons before and after that era have not faded out.

Regarding what year LR to get: if I had the cash to pull the trigger, I'd wait for an earlier model to come along (80's and earlier). The quality definitley was there, but, having said that, I've never played a new MIJ Tokai - maybe they're just as good.

That didn't help much, did it?! :-?

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Post by loverockerUK » Sun Dec 29, 2002 6:14 am

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Post by ramsale » Sun Dec 29, 2002 12:05 pm

I never could warm up to the rectangular blocks on the necks of the Customs. To me the trapazoids on the Standards have much more charm in the looks department. You could also solve the "faded 'burst problem" with a nice Tokai Goldtop. (Or Everest, or Dillion...) The thing on the Customs that I DO like is the bound headstock. That's an extra that speaks quality and additional effort...

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Re: 70s LP Reborns and recent Love Rocks

Post by supernout » Fri Jan 03, 2003 3:05 pm

Happy new year Barry,

if you decide to buy a Reborn, don’t wait, do it now, they won’t get cheaper. I have two of them, LS-60/80 and I would recommend the LS-80.

LS-80 specs :
One-piece body, big medium to fat neck, fret edged binding, 18deg headstock angle, nickel lightweight tailpiece and original style ABR-1 bridge without retainer wire. Mine has very good stock goto zebra paf’s without cover.

LS-60 specs :
Two-piece body, moderate medium neck, 14deg headstock angle, same hardware but chrome instead of nickel, no brand stamped stock pu’s with chrome covers.

Both have very dark (brazilian?) rosewood fretboards, two-piece tops and electronic circuit boards. I’ve imported them both from Japan and paid about 100$ more for the LS-80 but it’s much closer to an original ’58 plaintop than the LS-60. Both of them sound good but my LS-80 has a little more smack and better tonal articulation.

IMO the newer rosewood boards are reason enough for me not to buy a ’90 or later Tokai, even if they sound as good as the old ones. We all could have gone to the next local music store and buy any Les Paul copy after chosen one out of twenty or thirty if it was only the sound. But it’s the feel, the look, the hype, AND the sound of a Reborn or early Love Rock that makes us thinking about importing them from Japan without trying first.

I did it twice and it’s alright.

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Post by loverockerUK » Sat Jan 04, 2003 5:36 am

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