looking to buy a Tokai Les Paul but need help

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looking to buy a Tokai Les Paul but need help

Post by dean111music » Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:49 am

Ok again if you have read my post about the start.

Again with the LEs Paul what is the one to go for to sound and fell like a 59 Les Paul?

I understand that all Tokai les pauls are built with Mahogany bodies too!! Superb!

Any help i will be thankful.

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Post by willows-62 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:27 am

Mate, if it's the Gibson sound and feel you're after, then buy a Gibson. I have a '92 LS55 CS plain top and it is magnificent. I have swapped out the pups and caps but it has still retained it's character and feel. One thing is for sure though and that is that you won't be disappointed with your MIJ Tokai Les Paul. The craftmanship of these guitars is second to none.

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Post by dean111music » Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:39 am

Te only Gibson's are worth going that I have personally tried are the old ones and I know that Tokai basically copied the Gibsons and fender exactly to every detail.

SO you get a really great quality guitar but not having to re mortgage the house.

Have I got that wrong?

What are the old Tokai Les Pauls to go for then, that are a replica of the 59/60 Gibson Les Pauls.

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Post by willows-62 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:36 am

Are you looking for a brand new guitar, or a vintage/second hand model. MIJ Tokai Les Pauls are a fraction of the cost of Gibson, but their craftmanship is equal, if not superior to Gibson. I am from Australia and if you go to: www.japanvintageguitars.com they have a selection of vintage Japanese guitars (Les Pauls, Strats, Teles etc) and prices. To give you an example: 1980 Tokai LS-80 AUD $2050.00. A brand new LS-98f will cost around AUD $1600.00. I don't know what neck profile these examples have. My 1992 LS-55 has a 60's neck.

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Post by Axchisler » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:43 am

Have I been gone so long that everyone is tired of these questions? Just kidding, post is still new ;)

I see no reason to spend big money on an old Tokai, I have a 2008 ls100 that I would put up against any LP and it's in mint condition. IMO all Tokai LP's are better than their predecessors.

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Post by willows-62 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:56 am

I couldn't agree more. My '92 LS-55 isn't in the upper echelon of Love Rocks but is is in mint condition and it plays like a dream, and it didn't cost me an arm and/or a leg. I wouldn't part with it for anything.

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Re: looking to buy a Tokai Les Paul but need help

Post by Diamond » Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:01 am

dean111music wrote:Ok again if you have read my post about the start.

Again with the LEs Paul what is the one to go for to sound and fell like a 59 Les Paul?

I understand that all Tokai les pauls are built with Mahogany bodies too!! Superb!

Any help i will be thankful.
They're all solid mahogany bodies, they all look like 1958 and 1959 Gibsons....choose what colour you want, then decide whether you want a plain maple top or flamed maple top, and then decide how much money you want to spend?

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Post by dean111music » Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:13 am

yeah looking for a vintage one. Are you saying vintage are better then the newer ones?

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Post by willows-62 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:33 am

No not at all. A brand new LS-98f would be about $400.00 cheaper than a 30 year old LS-80. It all depends on what you are prepared to spend. Also, you have to remember that you are looking at something that is 30 years old up against something that is brand new. The quality and craftmanship hasn't diminished in any way. It's all personal choice.

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Post by JVsearch » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:15 am

Assuming you want a nitro finished LP:

If you don't want a flame top then you should be able to get one of the vintage Tokais for $2k.

If you do want a flame solid top then you're looking at big money ($5k+) for a vintage Tokai, so do yourself a favour and buy a Gibson Historic at this price.
(*** Edit - or buy the vintage Tokai from a dealer so you know what you're getting)

If you are happy to have a veneer flame top then there will be some additional lower priced vintage Tokai models available.

Or, buy a brand new Bacchus Classic with a solid flame top!
(Check the Bacchus part of the forum although these are nitro top coat only)
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Totally biased towards Japanese made guitars.

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Post by Diamond » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:51 am

Now the guys completely confused. :D

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Post by JVsearch » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:39 pm

Diamond wrote:Now the guys completely confused. :D
Yeah, he really needs to decide on the flame top, because if it's not mandatory that will bring the LS-160 into play.
Or if veneer is fine then a few other LS models also (HLS-160, LS-145).

The Bacchus was the only LP I could think of that had a solid flame top for pretty good $$.
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Post by willows-62 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:51 pm

I'm not really sure that the finish is the issue here. The fact is that either way (vintage or new), when you buy a MIJ Tokai (assuming it hasn't been in the hands of Pete Townsend) you are buying a first class quality instrument that will last you a lifetime.

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Post by Diamond » Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:18 pm

willows-62 wrote:when you buy a MIJ Tokai (assuming it hasn't been in the hands of Pete Townsend) you are buying a first class quality instrument that will last you a lifetime.
Agree 100%.

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Post by JVsearch » Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:55 pm

willows-62 wrote:I'm not really sure that the finish is the issue here. The fact is that either way (vintage or new), when you buy a MIJ Tokai (assuming it hasn't been in the hands of Pete Townsend) you are buying a first class quality instrument that will last you a lifetime.
Oh, are you a dealer as well?

This sort of "buy any Tokai it will be fantastic" is a bit simplistic really.
Some people require certain specs or weight of the guitar etc.

People need to make sure they know what they are buying when it comes to vintage guitars, no matter what brand it may be.
With the prices of vintage Tokais rising strongly over the last few years there is now plenty of incentive for sellers to pass off lower models as higher ones, not to disclose cracks and other damage or non-original parts etc.

Even the new ones vary widely in specs, and people need to be aware of what they're buying, to avoid disappointment.

Lets just wait for the OP to say what specs they want, but the words 59 Gibson LP were mentioned...
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